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« on: June 29, 2006, 07:58:53 PM »

Increase number of trains per passing through a station per hour?

Wow!

The SMRT will say it is going to increase operation costs (like I believed them) and then the fools who doesn't know better will ask "Who's going to pay for it? You?".

What's the point of writing a letter like that knowing that the other Singaporeans won't give a f*ck as long as the operators says they will be footing the bill for it to happen? Remember the part about raising the height limit for children to get free rides?


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Provide more MRT trains and let bikes on-board

I support Nuryusman Ibrahim's view in his letter 'Allow bikes in last cabin of MRT train' (ST, June 27). Do cyclists have to hold a Critical Mass ride (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass) - a mass demonstration by bicycle riders - before being taken seriously?

This is a viable form of transport that should not be held back. If SMRT believes that bicycles will take up too much space, especially during the rush hour when congestion is a problem, it might consider increasing the number of trains per passing through a station per hour.

The fact that there is already congestion proves that there are not enough trains. If SMRT also believes that only foldable bikes should be allowed on trains, then why not allow full bicycles with the front wheel removed?

The fact that no foldable bikes are taken onto trains proves how unpopular they are. Why stick to that rule?

Full bikes, all hours, no holding back.


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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2006, 08:40:01 PM »

if you want to ride a bicycle
liked a chinaman
do so
all the way
alternatively
there is a market for
electric bicycles
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2006, 05:19:11 AM »

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WE'VE heard of ungracious passengers and seat-hogs faking sleep, but - being assaulted for giving way to someone else?

Reader Dennis Toh and his wife were boarding a train at Bugis MRT station on July 1, a Saturday, at about 8.20pm.

They dutifully waited behind the yellow line to allow commuters to alight first.

Toh writes: "It was taking a bit long as an elderly person was trying to get off and many people were rushing to board.

"Then, I was hit really hard from behind by a middle-aged man who said in Hokkien: 'If you don't want to board, other people want to board.' He pushed past us. I was totally shocked and didn't how to react.

"Even on the train, he kept on scolding us with Hokkien vulgarities, in full view of many commuters. Other people told me: 'Forget about it.'"

Alighting at City Hall, Toh and his wife reported the incident to the station manager and were told to catch a train ride back to Bugis MRT station to make their report there instead. They were advised to file a police report and meanwhile, an internal report would be filed.

"So, we headed to Bukit Merah East Police Centre, where we were told by the police officer that they would not investigate the case unless I engaged a lawyer to file a case at the magistrate's court," Toh says.

Flummoxed, he asks: What is any person supposed to do in this situation?

"As the police officer said to me: 'Suay lor' ... Why are Singaporeans so violent and ungracious?"

This account came as readers were discussing the painful but, to some, unsurprising results of the Reader's Digest survey on courtesy, which ranked Singaporeans 30th out of 35 countries ("Courtesy does not begin at home", June 21).

Beh Lee Ngoh read the letters that followed with interest - she's in her 36th week of pregnancy and more than attuned to the "natural reactions" of MRT commuters who suddenly become "deeply engrossed in messaging or chatting on the phone, reading, or conveniently dozing off".

"I no longer expect people to give up a seat to me," she admits. "In fact, I would be happy if I am not harassed while standing in the train. Often, despite my obvious pregnancy, I get people pushing against me, probably thinking that a pregnant woman takes up too much space!"

Even then, an incident during peak hour on June 22 went beyond what she'd come to expect from Singaporeans.

"I was holding onto the pole with my left hand, my right arm circling my big tummy to protect it from any accidental knock.

"When the train door opened at Tanjong Pagar MRT station, the pushing began. One man kept pushing me, until there was no more room for me to retreat. As I stood still, trying to maintain my balance, he turned around to scold me, demanding to know why I kept pushing him.

"I was too shocked to answer and he started swearing at me loudly in Hokkien. For a moment, I was worried that he might start physically assaulting me ... It was also disappointing to note that my fellow passengers remained oblivious to what was happening."

Beh concludes: "Unless and until our society can demonstrate basic consideration especially to those perceived to be in need, I doubt we can progress far from basic courtesy campaigns. Such kind gestures have to come from within.

"And perhaps we can help reinforce the value of courtesy by not being nonchalant around someone who needs help. This might encourage others who need the extra nudge to stand up for what is right."

Another reader, NA Nawalage, was reminded of then-Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew's following comment, at the launch of the courtesy campaign in 1981.

Mr Lee had said: "As a young society of migrant stock, we have tended to be self-centred and to be helpful and charitable only within the family and, at a pinch, within the extended clan. To raise our level of social achievement, we have to extend a part of the respect and consideration we have for members of our family to our neighbours and to fellow workers ..."

Unfortunately, Nawalage says: "Raising the level of social achievement is not on many of our agendas.

"Most of us are too self-centred, internally focused and selfish, tied up in a daily rat race on building a career, making money and putting food on the table. We have little time to be nice to people, even to our own family."

He adds: "A greatness of a nation or its society isn't always measured by its economic progress, but by its humanity. If we don't care for the old, the weak and even mothers-to-be, what would our future be when we grow old, or when our wives or daughters become pregnant and need to use public transport?"

And that is probably what motivates him to push for, as others have done before, imposing fines for non-compliancy - "easily done on public transport as there are clearly designated seats reserved for the use of the elderly, injured and pregnant".


And guess what is the root of the problem?

The train frequency.

Peak hours - 1 train every 3 to 4 minutes.
Non peak - 1 train every 7 to 11 (!) minutes.

Now contrast that with the MTR in HK, which writer Mark Ho Boon Kin mentioned in his letter to the Stooge Times Forum:

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"Even during off-peak time, a commuter on the MTR will not need to wait more than 2-3 minutes.

Contrast this with our MRT where even the waiting time during peak hours is usually longer than that in Hong Kong during off-peak time.
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I take the train daily from Raffles Place back to Boon Lay daily. And at least in 90% of the trips - unless it's the almost the last few trains - I don't get a seat until I reach Jurong East, where a whole lot alight to cross the platform onto a Choa Chu Kang bound train. That's not mentioning that there's just really little space left between commuters, and if you expect not to be crashed into by another, you would actually have better luck with the lottery or Togo winning the World Cup!

There are 6 cabins in each train - 2 orange / purple, 2 blue, 2 green -  each served by 4 sliding doors. In each cabin you can sub-divide into 3 general sections - forward, center and rear. (This does not include the section where two different cabins are joint). I once tried counting the number of people alighting from the cabin sub-section I am standing in at each station, and many times that figure never exceed 20. And that's when I started counting from Tanjong Pagar station to Clementi Station! And if you count the number of seats that are vacated, the number is even lesser than 10! In other words, there are just too few people alighting once a train passes out of town, and still, there are people boarding the trains.

So, can you imagine, getting a seat on only 10% of the trips you made on the MRT, and then you are expected to give up your seat to a pregnant lady or a senior citizen on one of your 'lucky' days? (I am NOT saying that it is right to ignore them, I am just saying that I can perhaps UNDERSTAND why people are 'acting blur'. After all, it is their perogative whether they should give up their seats or not, not forgetting that they are also fare paying passengers themselves!)

Thus when seats become a rare commodity, compounded with idiots who has gotten no common sense in moving further inwards after boarding, is it of any wonder why commuters start becoming a grouchy, unfriendly, unhelpful and can't-be-bothered lot?
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2006, 05:19:55 AM »

They should have double decker trains like those in Sydney.


Or they should have "express trains" like those in Melbourne.
Trains that stop at all city train stops, then skip all the in-between stops until Jurong East interchange.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2006, 12:57:27 AM »

They should have double decker trains like those in Sydney.
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Or they should have "express trains" like those in Melbourne.
Trains that stop at all city train stops, then skip all the in-between stops until Jurong East interchange.

As that is, they will have to build one more track for that, no? Otherwise how can a train overtake the one that is stopping in between?

And they will first rub salt on the would by reminding you that this is going to cost ALL fare paying passengers because money will be taken from them to implement this. And see how everyone shuts up after that! Bwagahhahaa..
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2006, 01:28:01 AM »

And they will first rub salt on the would by reminding you that this is going to cost ALL fare paying passengers because money will be taken from them to implement this. And see how everyone shuts up after that! Bwagahhahaa..

Singaporeans are damned idiots lah. They cut the frequency during SARS, but they never drop the price after SARS.

They started building lifts in all the stations, but nobody asked where the money coming from.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2006, 12:04:13 AM »

After my car crashed, I am travelling on Mr.T practically everyday.  But I have yet to meet anyone who would push pregnant woman or act blur. If I do, I will stare at the one who refuse to give up seat.  For people who push them, I would probably do something, but what to do?  Can anyone suggest?

One thing that I see frequently is 'ding teh people.  They stepped into the train and park themselves right at the entrance.  I would push myself close to them and act blur, 'who ask you to stay here?'.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2006, 12:32:26 AM »

After my car crashed, I am travelling on Mr.T practically everyday.  But I have yet to meet anyone who would push pregnant woman or act blur. If I do, I will stare at the one who refuse to give up seat.  For people who push them, I would probably do something, but what to do?  Can anyone suggest?

One thing that I see frequently is 'ding teh people.  They stepped into the train and park themselves right at the entrance.  I would push myself close to them and act blur, 'who ask you to stay here?'.

Singaporeans in general are OBLIVIOUS to the world around them. That's why you get 'ding teh' people on the MRT, the bus, or right after they step off the escalator or step into the MRT.

I recalled once that a few of us were jay-walking. The guy next to me KNOWS I am there and while we were dashing madly across a road of incoming vehicles, the guy inadvertently drifted into my path and got in my way. When he hit the road divider, I was expecting him to side step to the either the left or right so I can get onto the divider, but no, the guy just stood there.

He's SAFE from the traffic now. Doesn't matter I am in danger. I blame myself for being slow. The next time round I'll head butt him - just like Zidane - if he gets into my way.

That's the same blasted attitude you see from people who just stepped off the escalator or into the train (or even out or into the lift for that matter).

All I need is a flame thrower.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006, 07:52:37 PM »

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Does peak-hour surcharge really address taxi shortage? Checking on cabbies will keep them in line

 
Letter from Henry Lim Li Shun
 
I WOULD like to express my disappointment with the Consumer's Association of Singapore (Case) with regard to the recent hikes in taxi fares. The watchdog is known for its aggressive probing into past hikes. But this time, they have been relatively silent. Even the hefty hike in peak-hour surcharges
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006, 10:12:47 PM »


and you all were wondering
where all the cabs has gone lioa?
must be alot of coupons being expired up there
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2006, 10:30:23 PM »

Nice pic! Well done, moshedyan.

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2006, 08:54:09 PM »

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Bus rationalisation done to benefit commuters
      
I REFER to the article, 'Save our buses, please'' (The Sunday Times, July 16).

The article highlighted that some commuters face a longer travel time as a result of the removal or re-routing of bus services ('bus rationalisation') following the introduction of a new MRT line.

Our aim is to provide a public-transport system that is economic, efficient and affordable for the majority of commuters. This we have done.

To keep abreast of the growth in travel demand, we have been expanding our MRT network to provide a more efficient, comfortable and reliable travel experience.

In order to fully realise the benefits of mass rapid transit, rationalisation of bus services is necessary to avoid excessive duplication of services, as well as to better integrate bus and MRT services.

If this is not done, then overall public-transport costs at the system level will go up and this will eventually have to be passed on as higher fares to commuters. This is an outcome that we want to avoid.

Bullshit! How is that avoided?

Some commuters used to be able to just catch the bus at their bus stop downstairs, and travel to where they want to go in the past now needs to catch the bus to the nearest MRT before they can do so.


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Besides operational efficiency, the Public Transport Council (PTC) and the Land Transport Authority (LTA) also seek to ensure that bus rationalisation is done with the commuters' interests in mind.

Care was taken in past bus-rationalisation exercises to ensure that the majority of commuters benefit in terms of travel times, convenience and cost and that the minority who are affected have alternative services.

LTA is also mindful of commuters' travelling time when planning public-transport infrastructure and one of the main objectives in constructing the Circle Line was to reduce travelling time between suburban destinations.

Both the LTA and the PTC continually take into account feedback from commuters on bus rationalisation and work closely with the public-transport operators to ensure that the overall impact on commuters is positive.


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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2006, 01:06:19 AM »

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Perhaps the authorities could re-examine the purpose of extending the ERP hours so that Orchard Road is restored to its previous vibrancy.

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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2006, 04:20:55 AM »

 Shake Head Isnt SBS going to get fined? Strange... they want to raise fares, be more expensive, so on and so forth, but are they improving their standard of service?

Imagine, announcements of train services stopping were made through half closed doors of the MRT Station... were only in English, despite the fact that chinese speaking, malay speaking and tamil speaking people DO take the MRT as well...

I recall the SMRt getting fined when they had a 2 hour stoppage of some sort years ago... SBS should have done more, and faster too! One whole day to clear the tunnel and sort out the electric cable situation...

not to mention the tourists, who must have been wondering what was happening!
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2006, 09:48:05 AM »

It's been known a long time that our so called World Class Transport isn't that cracked up to be.

What's the point of a fine? Would it really improve service standards?

That's nothing but another 'show' by the LTA will does not do anything to improve the situation except to increase the national coffers.

I have always believe that the SMRT should run the bus service that competes with the N-E Line for passengers and that SBS does the same for those along the N-S, and E-W lines.

The reason is simple. If any of the providers screwed up there is no need of them to provide 'free shuttles' at all because the competitor will have picked up most of the passengers. And a loss of revenue when the breakdown happens can be even more painful than a lousy $10,000 (or even $100,000) fine.
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